4-9-2019; KCB&A Closes Your Toughest WC Claims Faster!!; Is a Workers’ Comp Claim Exempt from a Bankruptcy Claim by Lilia Picazo; How Hyatt Hotels Would Go Broke and more

Synopsis: Keefe, Campbell, Biery & Associates Closes WC Claims Faster Than Our Competition. Try Us and See!!!

Editor’s comment: I/we continue to tell clients and potential clients, KCB&A closes our WC files faster than our competition. We have a number of great approaches to doing so.

First and foremost, we are the only Midwest Defense Firm whose motto is “The Only Good File Is A Closed One!” We are committed to closure of your toughest WC claims in the five States we practice in. We assume you have set aside reserves for each claim and there is a cost involved in looking at money you have sitting there but can’t use. Getting a defense attorney who understands that simple math is hard to understand—we understand it at KCB&A.

Some/many workers compensation claims can be closed rapidly, if a few parameters are satisfied. It is hard to predict what may turn a routine WC claim into a sticky mess that just won't close. That is always the challenge for risk managers, claims handlers and defense attorneys. There probably are as many answers as cases, but the answers likely can be drilled down into a few common themes, some of which apply to your claims action plans.

The course of a claim may be influenced by the accident report, initial care, the claims evaluation and course of treatment. Frequently the employer controls treatment for some period of time post-injury. OccHealth and ER treatment should be provided by a health care provider appropriately qualified to treat the injury. It is also important to have an OccHealth provider that knows your business and the availability of light work. Long prior to an accident in the workplace, we suggest all clients have a designated OccHealth or Emergency provider for all workers—we further recommend you post such information in the workplace and/or your website.

If you have a WC PPP or designated health plan for all workers, push hard to have them get into it and stay in it. I have a presentation that includes the concept of an IL WC PPP—if you want to review it, simply send a reply. We consider an IL  

Claims closure stops if you have a physician chosen by Claimant who is a “disability enabler” who predictably writes off-work slips regardless of objective findings and sometimes without any medical basis. It's important to focus on what the injured worker can do, not what he/she can't do. Also note a physician or other caregiver who does not identify, diagnose and appropriately treat a legitimate injury, and who might return the patient to full duty despite the existence of objective clinical findings, may turn short-term impairment into a long-term problem.

When there is a dispute between claimant and employer or insurer, operate by the rule of reason. Our claims history suggests claims become protracted when any party to the claim takes an unreasonable position about a key issue or issues, whether it is medical treatment, return to work, continuing disability or settlement value. Positioning a case for the best possible outcome is the goal of the risk manager and claims handler along with your defense attorney. If either side digs in with unrealistic goals, lengthy and expensive litigation may ensue. Stay objective, avoid hardened positions, and keep personal competitiveness on the sidelines.

No One May Be Able to Move a WC Claim Until MMI.

Drive your claims to maximum medical improvement or MMI. It is possible but much more challenging to get a claim closed while treatment or surgery is ongoing. There are lots of paths to MMI—press the button on great experts for IME’s, nurse case managers and return to work coaching/meetings. It is possible to get a claim settled before care is completed, send a reply if you have such a claim and need my insight.

Once at MMI and Back to Work—Make the First Offer of Permanency/Impairment!

As a veteran defense lawyer, I smile when asked to request a demand from opposing counsel. To me, that can be a sign of lazy negotiating. Two things can happen when I am told to “ask for a demand.” One is the other side rapidly looks at their best case and asks for “way too much money.” I then have to fight and kick to bring them back down to a reasonable middle ground. The time it takes to get them to the land of reasonableness can then be characterized as being my fault when the problem is the approach.

The other bad thing that happens with “asking for a demand” can be even worse—now I have given control of the claim to my opponent! If they ignore the request, the adjuster is certain to email or call and ask what the heck I have been doing. All I can say in response is—I made the request for a demand and the other side is ignoring me.

The answer to all of it is to carefully look at your file and figure out what you feel is best to settle and make the first offer. Then I have the ability to tell the hearing officer I am being reasonable, my client is okay with this and let’s get ‘er done and closed!

To sum up, have a plan in place for OccHealth; identify necessary accident information and obtain medical records and bills in the claim; rely upon the knowledge, expertise and contacts of defense counsel; keep the case moving by cajoling whomever is dragging their feet; seek out appropriate experts (I can help if you want recommendations); and consider using KCB&A’s Medicare/CMS experts.

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Synopsis: Is a Workers’ Compensation Claim Exempt from a Bankruptcy Claim? – Seventh Circuit Certifies the Question to the Illinois Supreme Court. Analysis by Lilia. Y. Picazo, J.D.

 

Editor’s Comment: On December 1, 2016, Ms. Hernandez filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in the Northern District of Illinois. She reported as exempt a pending workers' compensation claim she valued at $31,000.00. Ms. Hernandez owed large sums of money to three medical providers who provided treatment for her work-related injuries. Ms. Hernandez settled her claim shortly after without knowledge of the trustee or approval by the bankruptcy court. 

 

In February 2017, the medical providers filed an objection to Ms. Hernandez's claimed exemption, arguing a failure to notify the bankruptcy court of the settled claim was a product of fraud, and that a 2005 amendment to the IWCA permitted the unpaid providers to reach the workers' compensation settlement. In April 2017, a hearing was held on the claimed exemption in bankruptcy court. The bankruptcy court denied the exemption. Ms. Hernandez appealed. 

 

The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago affirmed the ruling and held "using the workers' compensation exemption to thwart this specific class of creditors would frustrate the Act's purpose." Ms. Hernandez appealed to the Seventh U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on the following issues:

 

Whether the Illinois Workers’ Compensation Act, as amended, allows care-provider creditors to reach the proceeds of workers’ compensation claims. Section 21 of the Act has been interpreted by bankruptcy courts to create an ex-emption for these assets. The 2005 amendments made several changes to the Illinois workers’ compensation regime, imposing a new fee schedule and billing procedure for care providers seeking remuneration. Did those changes alter the scope of section 21?

 

Section 21 of the Illinois Workers' Compensation Act provides:" No payment, claim, award or decision under this Act shall be assignable or subject to any lien, attachment or garnishment or be held liable in any way for any lien, debt or damages." In 2005, several amendments were made to the IWCA, including permitting a medical provider to seek payment from the employee where a disputed claim settled. Section 8.2(e-20). 

 

Ms. Hernandez argued the 2005 amendments to the IWCA did not contain specific language or exemptions permitting medical creditors to reach workers' compensation settlements. 

 

The medical providers argued allowing the exemption would go against the purpose of Section 8.2(e-20) of allowing medical providers to seek payment directly from an employee after a claim has settled. 

 

The Seventh Circuit agreed with both arguments. However, the court stated the Illinois Supreme Court had not yet "addressed the interplay between these competing components of state workers' compensation law." The court found itself "genuinely uncertain about the correct interpretation," and certified the question to the Illinois Supreme Court. We’ll continue to apprise you of any developments in this case.

 

The research and writing of this article was performed by Lilia Y. Picazo, J.D. Lilia can be reached with any questions regarding workers’ compensation law at lpicazo@keefe-law.com.

 

 

Synopsis: How Hyatt Hotels Would Surely Go Broke—Follow the Insane State of IL Government Business Model.

 

Editor’s comment: Try to imagine Hyatt Hotels BROKE and in bankruptcy… Try to imagine if new IL Gov. J.B. Pritzker adopted the State of Illinois’ insane business model for his family business, Hyatt Hotels.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels provided non-competitive salaries for their workers that were much higher than its competition. Trust me, the State of Illinois overpays most of their workers, compared to the same jobs in the private sector.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels allowed workers who became vested in unfundable fake gov’t pensions to be paid the same money as their highest salaries they made at their gov’t jobs within five years of retiring.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels funded unfundable fake gov’t pensions for workers who didn’t work for Hyatt!!—The State of IL funds fake pensions for Circuit Court judges who are county employees and your local school teachers who don’t work for the State.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels retirees were then given lifetime 3% compounded annual increases in retirement and were then were paid double, triple or quadruple their highest salaries at leisure in retirement literally until the day they died.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels retirees were provided virtually free group medical coverage from the day they are hired until the day they died.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels had 88 different departments to handle their affairs with each department having its own director, assistant to the director, HR manager, accounting manager, etc.—the State of IL has 88 departments set up in this flawed and awful business model with lots of redundancy.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels had seven different security departments, like the State of Illinois that has seven different police departments. Let me say that again—seven different and independent State police departments???

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels had two entirely different accounting departments, like the State of Illinois that has both a Treasurer’s Office and a Comptroller’s Office that do almost exactly the same job.

 

Try to imagine if Hyatt Hotels had two different transportation departments, like the State of Illinois that has both the IL Toll Authority and the IL Department of Transportation that both do the same job.

 

This insane business model is why the State of Illinois has created the highest combined tax load for its citizens of all the United States and is working right now to possibly change the IL Constitution to add a crushing graduated income tax and planning to double (or higher) the Motor Fuel tax…

 

You don’t have to imagine--this is why thousands of Illinois citizens and businesses are departing our State for other places that aren’t insane.

 

If Gov. Pritzker can change the IL Constitution to raise taxes, why can’t he change the IL Constitution to change this insane gov’t business model and eliminate the redundancy and waste? Is there a Sanity Clause?

 

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Synopsis: Update on IL SB 1596.

 

Editor’s comment: I received an excellent article indicating the changes proposed in IL SB 1596 may not be effective until year 2044 due to a constitutional issue of longstanding nature.

 

If you are concerned about the business-busting aspects of this new proposed but misguided legislation and want to review that article, I am happy to send it. Please simply send a reply.

4-1-2019; The Winds of Change--New Team at the IWCC Under Gov JB Pritzker; What Will Employers Do When Marijuana Becomes “Legal” in Illinois and Other States and more

Synopsis: As JB Pritzker settles in at the Governor’s Mansion in Illinois, the Winds of Change are picking up at the Workers’ Compensation Commission.

 

Editor’s Comment: The 2011 changes to the Workers’ Compensation Act, followed by the tenure of former Republican Governor Bruce Rauner, moved the IL WC Commission from a highly Petitioner-oriented venue to one where most practitioners felt it had become, for the most part, a fair ruling body. This is a matter of perspective, of course.

 

We are able to happily report the IL WC system is in the middle of the pack in terms of both costs of WC and benefits being paid to injured workers when you take a look at the State of Oregon WC ranking of insurance premiums. We hope our system stays in the middle and doesn’t dramatically rise, as it did under the administrations of prior years. Looking at the personnel changes that have occurred, we don’t feel that it will.

 

Under the Rauner administration, some Petitioner attorneys felt the IL WC Commission moved beyond center, at times even turning Respondent-oriented in their posture of adjudication in recent years. Regardless of one’s perception of the last few years, most veteran observers predict the pendulum is now going to swing back; how far remains to be seen.

 

Keep in mind that a number of current IL WC Arbitrators are on “ice” if you will, awaiting their fate as to re-appointment. As an Illinois-based law firm dedicated to defending workers’ compensation claims in this State, we only hope that the remaining (and new) hearing officers maintain the level of even-handed adjudication that we have experienced in recent years.

 

Thus far, a memorandum from the Illinois Workers’ Compensation Commission directed:

 

  • Commissioner Michael Brennan has been appointed as Chairman of the Workers’ Compensation Commission.

  • Arbitrators Flores and McCarthy are appointed Commissioners

  • Their dockets will be replaced by TBA1 and TBA2 respectively

  • Arbitrator Watts will replace the Chicago TBA

 

New Commissioners & Panels:

Panel A                                                 Panel B                                                 Panel C

Employee Representatives:         Commissioner Tyrrell                      Commissioner McCarthy               Commissioner Parker

Public Representative:                   Commissioner Portela                    Commissioner Mathis                     Commissioner Flores

Employer Representatives:          Commissioner Lamborn                 Commissioner Coppoletti             Commissioner Simpson

 

 

Newly appointed Chairman Michael Brennan replaces Joann Fratianni-Atsaves. We consider Mr. Brennan to be highly qualified for the position, as he was in private practice as a workers’ compensation defense attorney for a number of years before serving as a Commissioner for the last few years. He is well-versed in Illinois Workers’ Compensation Law. Both sides of the bar find him to be a solid choice to lead the IWCC. We extend our thanks to former Chairperson Fratianni-Atsaves for her hard work in service of our State.

New Commissioners Douglas McCarthy and Barbara Flores served as arbitrators prior to their Commission appointments; they are familiar to practitioners and veterans of the industry.

New Commissioner Maria Portela served as in-house counsel at AIG prior to her appointment.

New Commissioner Marc Parker managed his own Plaintiff/Petitioner practice in Madison Country before his appointment.

If compelled to wager, we predict further replacements of current sitting arbitrators, to be directed by the new Governor. This is unfortunate, as the vast majority of current arbitrators have done a solid job in recent years. To the victor goes the spoils though, especially in Illinois, and the Governor has discretion to make appointments as he sees fit. We will report on further re-appointments or new appointments as they occur.

This article was researched and written by John P. Campbell Jr., J.D., Partner at Keefe, Campbell, Biery & Associates, LLC. John can be reached at jcampbell@keefe-law.com. We appreciate your thoughts and comments. Please post them on our award-winning blog.

 

Synopsis: What Will Employers Do When Marijuana Becomes “Legal” in Illinois and Other States?

 

Editor’s comment: We note Dr. David Fletcher of SafeWorks Illinois was quoted in an article on this topic over the weekend and I wanted to add my thoughts. In my opinion, employers are best served to create/maintain drug and alcohol-free workplaces. But one issue with doing so is testing for marijuana levels. There are no current tests that allow an employer to determine the current THC or marijuana levels in one’s system—the testing only indicates the presence of the drug and not its particular level of “intoxication” for a user. Watch this space if that should change.

 

The reality of legalization in Illinois and other states, if it happens, will be challenging. Some employers might start ignoring employee use, as long as workers can still do their jobs. Other employers will still ban its use, taking action against employees who test positive for pot, bolstered by federal law under which marijuana remains illegal.

 

Please note risk and exposures for injuries are, in my personal view, much higher in companies that either actively or passively allow marijuana use in their work sites. If an employee is injured while stoned at work, I feel it will be harder to defend a claim saying pot-smoking was the cause. In the realm of third party liability, I think it will be easier for Plaintiff lawyers to seek high damages or punitive damages if a worker injures a third party while under the influence of marijuana.

 

Illinois’ new governor, J.B. Pritzker strongly supports the legalization of marijuana, and Illinois lawmakers in our “one-party” State plan to consider legislation this year. If the IL legislature and our Governor want marijuana legal, there is no way to stop that, other than public opinion. If marijuana is legalized, Illinois would join 10 other states, and the District of Columbia. We note medical marijuana is already legal in Illinois.

 

All of it means employers will face a new set of questions.

 

  • Should you ban possession of marijuana in the workplace?

  • Should you/can you fire employees who test positive for marijuana?

  • Should they continue testing current and prospective workers at all?

 

If rules surrounding medical marijuana are any indication, Illinois workers won’t necessarily be free to use marijuana, even in their free time, if recreational marijuana becomes legal here. Illinois law bars employers from discriminating against workers for using legal products outside the workplace. But employers still have the right to have drug-free workplace policies, require drug testing and to take job action to suspend or terminate  employees who violate those policies.

 

Please note any company or organization that contracts with the federal government would also still likely have to bar marijuana use among employees. And U.S. transportation workers in safety-sensitive positions would also

still likely be subject to drug and alcohol testing, per federal requirements.

 

Some employers have already made that change following the legalization of medicinal marijuana in Illinois, the widespread use of CBD oil and potential legalization of recreational marijuana, said Dr. David Fletcher, CEO and founder of SafeWorks Illinois in Champaign, which does drug testing for employers. “We’ve actually had some employers say they don’t want to test for it,” Fletcher said. “That’s kind of the new trend.”

 

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Synopsis: Update on IL SB 1596.

 

Editor’s comment: I received an excellent article indicating the changes proposed in IL SB 1596 may not be effective until year 2044 due to a constitutional issue of longstanding nature.

 

If you are concerned about the business-busting aspects of this new proposed but misguided legislation and want to review that article, I am happy to send it. Please simply send a reply.

3-25-2019; IL Chamber President Sends Veto Letter for IL SB 1956--Please Support Him!!; More Hidden IL WC Proposed Legislation and more

Synopsis: The Illinois State Chamber Sends Veto Letter to Gov. Pritzker to Try to Block IL SB 1956. I Urge All Illinois Businesses and Local Gov’ts to Join and Support His Efforts.

 

Editor’s comment: I salute the President of the IL Chamber Todd Maisch for his effort to save the structure of the IL WC system and avoid having lots of IL employers become uninsured for this new giant exposure and otherwise give them additional motivation to leave this State. For local gov’ts, I assure you this legislation isn’t going to apply to just the private sector—these lawyers will come at IL counties, cities and park districts also. Therefore, the cost of gov’t employee benefits and concomitant local taxes to pay them will continue to rise dramatically.  I consider IL Chamber Maisch’s veto letter to be a “Must-Read” for IL risk and safety managers, so I am publishing it unedited below. I ask all my readers to consider joining the IL Chamber of Commerce, as they remain the lead organization that is a sentinel for IL business and jobs. For info, go to www.ilchamber.org

 

If you are busy, in short, you will note State Chamber President Maisch points out (with my comments):

 

  • There was no negotiation between Management and Labor in reaching this sweeping proposed change to the IL WC Act/System. In Gene’s view, ITLA is trying to jam this down everyone’s throats.

  • The speed, low cost and strict liability of the IL WC system works well for both sides. My comment, why mess-up something that isn’t broken?

  • The concepts of limitations/repose for WC/OD claims as currently written is fair and provides certainty. Again, my comment is--if you want to change them, bring it to the table.

  • The current IL WC and OccDisease Acts allow an employee to bring claims against third parties. Gene’s comment--that isn’t changing at all, workers don’t have to bankrupt employers to have a source of relief.

  • As I have advised, President Maisch affirms these new, expensive business-busting risks may be uninsured due to how IL WC/OD/EL coverage is written. My comment—Call Your Broker to insure you are covered when this becomes law!!!

 

Here is the letter:

 

Subject: Veto Request of SB 1596

 

Dear Gov. Pritzker:

 

One of the key, business issues you spoke about during the campaign last year was the need for workers’ compensation reform and indicated that any changes should be part of a process were business and labor negotiated such changes.

 

We urge you to veto SB 1596, as business interests were provided no opportunity to negotiate the provisions of SB 1596 and its provisions will have a profound impact on the workers’ compensation system as we outline below. We also urge you, following a veto, to bring the workers’ compensation stakeholders together to negotiate a more reasonable approach to addressing the Folta v. Ferro Engineering Illinois Supreme Court decision. A more reasonable approach would be to confine the issue to the WC/OD Acts.

 

The fundamental tenet of the WC/OD Acts are to establish an equitable system of compensating employees with certain benefits and swift remedy by forgoing their common-law rights and in exchange, the employers are subject to a strict liability system with known parameters.  As such, Illinois employers enjoy the protections of exclusive remedy meaning a workplace injury or disease must be adjudicated under the WC/OD Acts. As part of the WC/OD Acts’ creation of certainty for employers, limitation periods to bring action against the employer have been established as part of the law. These time periods, 25 years for filing a claim and the three years statute of limitations under the Occupational Diseases Act, are finite periods and act as a complete bar to such action.

 

In 2015, the Illinois Supreme Court, in Folta v. Ferro Engineering, agreed with the employer community that the Acts bar an employee’s cause of action against an employer to recover damages for a disease resulting from asbestos exposure which arose out of and in the course of employment even though no compensation is available under those Acts due to the applicable statute of repose. In its 5-2 Folta decision, the Court noted: “The Acts do not prevent an employee from seeking a remedy against other third parties for an injury or disease. Rather, in this case, the acts restrict the class of potential defendants from whom Folta could seek a remedy, limiting Folta’s recourse for wrongful death claims to third parties other than the employer. In this case, Folta named 14 defendant manufacturers of asbestos-related products. Folta was not left without any remedy.”

 

Why we oppose SB 1596:

 

Exclusive remedy protection for Illinois employers is eviscerated creating significant, new exposures to liability, including punitive damages, that far exceed the benefits provided by the WC or OD Acts …Instead of the protections provided by the WC/OD Acts, employers will now face civil actions with unlimited awards, including punitive damages, from cases where the action has been previously barred. SB 1596 provides that the restriction in prosecution of a claim against an employer under both the WC and OD Acts “do not apply to any injury or death sustained by an employee as to which the recovery of compensation benefits under this Act would be precluded due to the operation of any period of repose or repose provision.”

Employer risk costs will increase due to the uncertainty…employers may be responsible for claims previously closed. Employers may be uninsured as business liability policies exclude workers’ compensation claims and workers’ compensation policies exclude civil claims against the employer. Lack of insurance coverage could jeopardize the financial viability of the employer and result in little to no award actually being received by the employee. By expanding the repose limit, an employee could continue to enjoy the strict liability placed on an employer and be relatively certain that benefits will be paid.

 

Settlements may be adversely impacted…the legislation provides that there is a “nonwaivable right to bring such an action against any employer or employers.” It is unclear as to how this change will impact future settlements under the WC/OD Acts.

 

We appreciate your consideration and are available should you or your staff have any questions.

 

Sincerely, Todd Maisch

President, CEO Illinois State Chamber of Commerce

 

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Synopsis: More Democrat “Stealth” IL WC Legislation—If You Are Proud of Your Power, Why Hide Stuff?

 

Editor’s comment: This new proposed legislation was sent to me by a reader. The concern we both have is the change to the IL WC Act isn’t dramatic but I assure my readers of my feeling we are returning to the days of Blago and former IWCC Chair Dennis Ruth when WC changes aren’t being negotiated and are going to be secretly jammed down everyone’s throat. I call that “stealth” legislation.

 

Please take a look at IL HB 2301.

 

Synopsis As Introduced at http://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=108&GA=101&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=2301&GAID=15&LegID=118173&SpecSess=&Session=


This new law amends the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois, the Workers' Compensation Act, and the Workers' Occupational Diseases Act. It replaces "employee class" and related terms with "representative of a labor organization recognized under the National Labor Relations Act". There is no need for this law—it could be put into place by our Governor without the need for legislation. What they are trying to change is to make this a permanent requirement that may be hard to change at any future time if balance ever returns to what is currently a “one-party” State.

 

I expect more stealth legislation like this—if you hear or see any, please send along so I can report it. I appreciate your thoughts and comments. Please post them on our award-winning blog.

Synopsis: Peoria Police Officer Isn’t Awarded Lifetime Healthcare for Family For a Simulated Training “Emergency.”

 

Editor’s comment: This is a mildly complex gov’t only claim that isn’t truly WC so if you are busy, go on to other things.

 

In short, Claimant Beckman was participating in a simulated riot situation, as part of her training for the Peoria P.D. She fell down on ice and snow during training and was injured and is receiving a lifetime line-of-duty disability pension. With respect to this fallen safety officer, I disagree with the idea that when on-the-job injuries preclude someone from being a police officer but they can do other work, that taxpayers have to pay them for life. I cannot tell from this ruling whether Claimant Beckman could do other police or gov’t work and it is possible she is totally disabled from all work.

 

The ruling is a battle over lifetime family healthcare coverage on top of the already adjudicated pension. To get the additional taxpayer-funded lifetime benefit, she has to establish she was injured during police actions “reasonably” felt to be in response to an emergency. Her problem is that training is a simulated but not real emergency. She was asserting she had to “treat” training as an emergency for the training to be valid.

 

The Appellate Court ruled she doesn’t get lifetime healthcare benefits for a “training emergency” that isn’t actually an emergency. She has to be in the field, responding to an actual emergency to get this government largesse.

 

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Synopsis: NEXT WEEK--Join KCB&A with the IL State Chamber for the IL WC Workshop on April 2, 2019 in Naperville. The link to register is: http://events.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=omjkt4dab&oeidk=a07eg2i2618bf7c6629